About the Episode
Psychiatric medication can be life-changing, but for some teens, it becomes the only solution offered.
If you or someone you love is on medication but still facing challenges and wondering why, this episode is for you. Discover how a personalized whole-body approach to teen mental health can create more lasting results.
Dr. Britta Zimmer, an expert in integrative psychiatry, shares what happens when mental health care focuses on band-aids instead of the whole person. She explains how trauma, nervous system dysregulation, and environmental factors often go untreated, resulting in cycles of overmedication and frustration.
Episode Guest
Dr. Britta Zimmer is the Chief Medical Officer of Pacific Quest and a true expert in integrative medicine. In early 2008, Dr. Zimmer launched Pacific Quest’s Medical Wellness Program. Over the past decade, Dr. Zimmer has developed an Integrative Psychiatry and Integrative Medicine Model with a team of psychiatrists, NDs, RNs, and medical assistants. Pacific Quest leads the industry in integrative medical care, providing integrative medicine, a strong nutritional program, horticulture therapy, psychiatric management, and psychotherapy. Naturopathic Physicians (NDs) are leaders in integrative medical care as they are trained in the prevention, diagnosis, management, and treatment of both acute and chronic health conditions using a functional medicine perspective.
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Episode Transcript
Introduction to Dr. Britta Zimmer
Julie: Hi everyone, on this week’s episode, we will be diving into the over-medication and over-prescribing that has run rampant, especially in youth today, with our very special guest, Dr. Britta of Pacific Quest.
Stay until the end, where she’s going to talk about the pillars of health that can really make a difference in changing the story around what your body is experiencing.
She is the Chief Medical Officer for Pacific Quest in Hawaii, a beautiful, amazing program that takes mental health to a whole different level, and not just mental health, but whole body health, integrative medicine.
She is an expert on this topic, and I’m so happy to welcome you to the program.
Thank you so much for joining us today, Dr. Britta.
Dr. Britta: Hi, Julie, thanks for having me. It’s great to be here.
Julie: It’s so awesome.
The Overmedication Crisis in Teen Mental Health
Julie: So tell me, we got to talk a little bit a few weeks ago, and then again today, about all the amazing work that you do, but can you tell me a little bit about what you’re seeing when you talk about this over-prescribing that’s happening in our culture?
Dr. Britta: Yes. Well, just for some context, I’ve been the Chief Medical Officer of a residential treatment center since 2008, and it has changed significantly. So we bring in adolescents and young adults.
They stay with us for about three months, and initially, in the first five years or so, when I was working there, they were maybe on one psychotropic medication, maybe none at all, and they were coming to get therapy and reset on the beautiful island of Hawaii. And then I noticed a trend, probably around 2012, and they were coming in with more and more medications, and I needed to get a more robust nursing crew because they were trying to sift through their medications and everything they were taking.
And it seemed as if there was just one hammer hitting their mental health issues, where they’ve gone to the…of course, I’m sure the parents start with the therapist, then they take them to the pediatrician, maybe the pediatrician prescribes a Prozac or an ADHD medication, and then if that doesn’t work, they take them to a psychiatrist.
And I was getting young people, sometimes 14 and 15-year-olds on five different psychotropic medications
Julie: Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. That’s a lot for the body.
Dr. Britta: It was a lot, and they still needed to come to us. So I thought, okay, these medications aren’t quite doing the trick.
Is Medication the Only Answer to Mental Health?
Dr. Britta: And then I went to this; it was pretty profound. I went to this conference, it was a five-day conference, and it was a psychiatry conference. And I was there with about a hundred psychiatrists, and it was all about integrated practice.
And what I realized, I’m an integrated physician by training, but most of the other physicians were psychiatrists, and they were lost.
And the common feeling was “We don’t know what to do. Our patients are not getting better, and we don’t know how to help them because all we know is the medication, and the medications aren’t doing it. And there’s something more going on, help us.”
And it was, I networked, it was so great to meet these folks. And we learned about nutrition and other non-pharmaceutical ways to treat these people, some more of the causes of the mental health concerns. And it was five-days intensive, and I’m still connected to these people, and they are practicing around the U.S., which is great because they knew they needed something else.
Julie: Well, I love this because it’s a whole-body approach, right? It’s not just chemicals. Correct. And our brains work in interesting ways.
I’m trained in neurofeedback. And so of course, there’s more than just chemicals that change the way that your system’s working. Can you tell me about a case? So you’ll probably have tons of cases where people come in overmedicated and give us an idea of what you’re seeing, how you make a difference, how you help their body recover.
Dr. Britta: Yeah, absolutely.
Dr. Britta: I’d like to tell you about one of my adolescent cases. But firstly, I think in general, what I hear from parents and the patients themselves, they’re frustrated because they’re taking all these medications and they feel like they should feel better.
So that’s almost like a moral failing because they’re not feeling better. And so I really try to walk that back for them, saying that this is okay, we’re going to figure this out. And just to be very clear, I’m not anti-medications.
I’ve seen medications turn cases around, but it has to be the right one, the lowest, most effective dose. So we all, as physicians, we all take the Hippocratic oath to first do no harm. And in order to really do that, we have to have a comprehensive treatment plan that maybe does include medications, maybe not, but again, it’s really treating the individual.
A 15-Year-Old on 6 Medications
How It All Started
Dr. Britta: So I’d like to tell you about this one case. It’s significant. I even have a picture of her before and after, and it’s just for HIPAA, I cannot show you, but it’s just amazing.
She came in; she’s 15 years old. She had come in, actually, from an acute hospitalization. But before that, had been in and out of school and very, very well-educated family.
And she was doing great in academics, but she did have a history of trauma. And this young girl came in on six different medications. So she had…
Julie: Oh my god. At 15. I can’t believe it.
Dr. Britta: 15 years old. She was probably about 120 pounds.
So she had Adderall in the morning. She had Lamotrigine, which is a mood stabilizer, Adderall for ADHD, of course. She was taking Gabapentin, which is an anti-anxiety three times a day. It’s also for pain. And then she was taking Zyprexa, which is an antipsychotic at night. And then she was taking Ativan or Lorazepam.
And when she came in, her eyes were half closed.
Julie: Of course.
Dr. Britta: And she was in so much pain, like physical pain.
And I think I listened to one of your other podcasts, is that you get this visceral pain that just does not go away. Once you have some type of GI issue, this pain it persists, right? And so for her, she’s gone through many medication trials. And one thing to notice, what I hear so much from patients is, or parents, they say, oh, they’re medication resistant, which is so interesting.
It’s like, no, it’s just not the right combination. Or maybe there’s something else going on because it’s not a Prozac deficiency that’s causing their depression. There are other factors that’s going on, or multiple failed medication trials.
These are things I hear often from my patient population.
Julie: Can you imagine? You’re talking about a 15-year-old who’s really in this adolescent period where they’re working on developing and separating and creating their sense of themselves. So if you’re inundated with these words about failure or about, oh, gosh, the medications work, you’re six medications, and you’re exhausted, and you can’t open your eyes, and you’re in pain, and your body, your nerves are sending pain signals, it’s really tough on self-esteem, right? I’m basically broken, is what they’re saying.
And honestly, that is the opposite of what our podcast is all about. We believe the human body is whole by design, and it’s doing and giving us information all the time.
The Toll of Overmedication
Julie: So I’m sure you’re about to tell us what kind of information you got from this young woman.
Dr. Britta: Sure. And when she felt distress or heightened distress, the first thing she asked for was more Ativan.
Julie: Of course, that’s how she’d been conditioned, right?
You have a struggle, medication.
You have a struggle, medication.
Oh, here’s another, let’s add something else to the cocktail.
Dr. Britta: And she had no idea if her distress, which she would call anxiety, was caused from the actual pain.
So the pain was causing anxiety, or if her anxiety was causing the pain. It was so confounded in her own body that there was just no connection. So all she could do in the time is just wail in pain.
It was mostly the stomach pain, because she was very, she’s very backed up, very constipated from this cocktail of medication. So she wasn’t moving. And I remember meeting her the first time.
I said, “How do you feel right now?” Because she just looked glazed. And she said, “I feel fine.” But she was just, I mean, she was almost half asleep.
And I said, do you notice that your eyes are half open? And she said, no. And she kind of like looks at me like this. She had to do that because she didn’t even have the muscle control to open her eyes fully.
Julie: Oh, my gosh.
Recovery Plan: Getting Off The Meds
Dr. Britta: Yeah. So fast forward.
Julie: I was going to say, tell me, how did you get this person back to life?
Dr. Britta: Yeah. So the first thing we needed to do is try to find a way to get her less dependent on Ativan. And that can be, for all of you guys listening, whoever has taken that on a regular basis, it can be one of the most difficult medications, the benzodiazepine classes of medications, most difficult medications to come off on.
So I don’t want to say, oh, we just take everyone off, because it can also be dangerous if you just abruptly start. So stop, that is. So it’s really important to come up with a physician-tailored taper plan for that class of medications.
So we had to very slowly taper her down. And if you can imagine the resistance, “How can you do this? It’s the only thing that makes me feel better”. And the way we do that with my integrative team is we substitute natural anxiolytics.
So we use amino acids, for example, L-theanine, GABA, and these amino acids they do not feel amazing like Ativan. Ativan, you take it, and my understanding is it’s like right away, you’re just feeling completely muted. These take the edge off in a way where they change your brain, those really over-excitatory brain waves.
They act as like the brakes on the nervous system, but it’s a slow brake. It’s like the train going fast, and you can’t just stop the train right away. You just slowly stop it.
So we get those on board for them to try that. So when she’s asking for that lorazepam, or we were trying to kind of incrementally decrease the dose, we would substitute those things for her. The other thing we were doing is having her eat three times a day.
And she just wasn’t eating because her stomach hurt so much. And then think about the confusing information for the body. She’s taking an amphetamine-based ADHD medication and Ativan at the same time.
Julie: So like start and stop, just so confusing, right?
Dr. Britta: And this was a prescribed regimen from a physician to this 15-year-old girl. I mean, this was her regimen.
Julie: Let me ask you because you’re telling one story, which I so appreciate because then we can kind of follow how you look at it differently. How you’re working with all the complexity of what it means to have this sophisticated human system with these different dimensions.
But how often are people coming in this way, medicated with three, four, five, six medications?
Dr. Britta: Out of our population, 95% of the adolescents and young adults are taking at least one psychotropic medication. Now, when I review the application polypharmacy, which this is, I would say it’s upwards of 30%.
How Teens Get Overmedicated
Dr. Britta: Because what happens is they, let’s say, their suicidal ideation, or there’s like a depressive episode, or they’re school refusing because they’re feeling so anxious.
The first line is a medication. So then they’ll be given a medication. And then all of a sudden, there’s like another symptom, whether the symptom was already there, or maybe it’s a side effect of the medication.
Julie: The first medication, yes.
Dr. Britta: So then they give another one to “augment”. It’s very, very common to have an SSRI, Prozac, Luxor, Prozoloft.
And they’re like, oh, it’s not quite taking care of their anxiety. So I’m going to “augment” it with a little Abilify, a little antipsychotic, or a little lithium, a mood stabilizer. I mean, this is common psychiatric practice.
And again, I’m not saying it doesn’t work for anybody, but this is, I’m getting the kids who have been over-medicated to the point where everyone’s afraid to take them off the medications. Because if you can imagine they’re in the outpatient psychiatry, all the medications are compounded. And then if they were to take them off their antidepressant, and something happens at school, they get bullied.
And then, I don’t know, there’s some type of episode, then it’s the psychiatrist’s fault. So everyone’s afraid to take them off. And the other thing that’s happening, even more of an issue, is these medications are compounded, but they’re not even at therapeutic doses all the time.
So I think if you’re going to try an SSRI, get it to a dose high enough to see if it’s actually going to work for the individual, rather than just giving these little sprinkles of different non-therapeutic doses of medication. So it’s kind of a mess. But I also think because there are so many variables in outpatient psychiatry that it’s difficult.
It’s hard for them to manage it.
Why Personalized Treatment Plans Matter
Julie: Well, and I think this is one of the things that draws me to you, your work, and Pacific Quest in general, is that we’re simpatico on the understanding that each human system is unique. And I know we’re going to talk about the pillars of health, which I think are really cornerstone and beautiful around how to move what’s happening in the body and really listen to the fact that we’re all snowflakes, right? That we come out differently, that what works for someone may not work for someone else.
If you followed that same cocktail, there could be someone it’s great for, right? And someone else that it literally takes the life out of them. And so, yeah, tell us more about the story. Tell us how this girl.
Dr. Britta: This young lady, in the first four weeks of her stay with us, it was rocky, because she would be having the pain, and we’re slowly titrating her off. Of course, we’re lucky that we have this kind of base of, we have a therapeutic environment. And the kids are, even though they’re having nice hot showers and they’re sleeping indoors with AC if needed, but they’re also outside 8 to 10 hours a day, next to the water, they’re getting therapy.
So we have these built-in ways to kind of stabilize their nervous system, which is, you know, I can tell, I’ll just admit that I’m lucky because it’s kind of easier to do my job in that context. But we were able to slowly walk her through. The other thing we did is something called pharmacogenetic testing.
It’s a saliva swab, really well covered by insurance. It’s just a buccal swab. And it tells us how the body metabolizes certain medications.
It’s not a diagnostic test, but it tells us, from a genetic variation standpoint, how the body metabolizes certain medications. And if there are transporter issues, like for example, there’s a serotonin transporter. So don’t even try that medication because it’s not going to work from a genetic standpoint.
Julie: Oh my gosh, the saved time.
Dr.Britta: It really helps guide the prescribing. And I can’t tell you how many times we’ve run this test.
And I’ve been doing this test for over a decade. And just as a side note, when I started doing it, a lot of psychiatrists were like, what is that? There’s, you know, that doesn’t make any sense. And there’s no scientific backing.
I would say 50% of my patients now come in with that type of testing already. So it’s becoming more mainstream.
Julie: Oh, great. I love that. I love that. Everyone wants to learn. Everyone wants to do the best they can.
Dr. Britta: And it’s just guidance. It takes that guesswork out of prescribing.
And so when I do this test on my patients, the patients themselves, the parents, they always have this aha moment. Like, oh, no wonder all those trials failed. No, no wonder they gained 30 pounds on that antipsychotic.
No wonder they, I mean, it’s just…
Julie: And it’s not a medication. What was the term you use medication failure?
Dr. Britta: Or it’s not medication resistant or treatment failure. Yeah, they just they just didn’t get it.
They didn’t get it specific to that individual. And this genetic test one time, this is your genes, and it’s genotype. So this is what could happen.
It’s not phenotype. It doesn’t mean this is how you’re going to be, but it gives you the genetic predisposition in order to really right-fit that medication prescribing. If you need a medication.
ADHD is a perfect example; there are two different classes of medications you can use. And this testing tells you which one is going to be more effective for ADHD. And you’re able to really get the dosing right, they’ll say if your body’s going to metabolize it too quickly or too slowly.
So you know, we’re in that very large range of dosing we have for a lot of psychotropic medications where to hit it.
So anyway, we did that with her and it’s actually very helpful because it comes in this nice colored, you know, result saying, hey, this is not a good medication for you. We’re gonna get you off of this one.
So there’s there’s more buy-in and her part too.
Julie: And how many of her six medications were not good for her system? Remember?
Dr. Britta: I would say three, were not working.
Yeah. And she didn’t need to be on those medications that was those medications. That was the band-aid that, as I say, that the only hammer they were using to hit the nail.
I like to say that with integrated, I do integrative psychiatry, and nutritional psychiatry, my black bag, so to speak, is so large. It’s not just medication prescribing. I have so many different tools I can use to help an individual.
And for her, the only tool that had been used up to that point were medications.
The Results of a Whole-Body Approach
Julie: Yeah. So what was her prescription from you? Meaning what? Yeah. What worked? What cracked the code for her? Because I’m assuming I know we can’t see the before and after. We know that before her eyes were like at half-mast, and she wasn’t doing well, and she was in a lot of pain. And my assumption is her after, looked more alive and vibrant.
Dr. Britta: Oh, my gosh. I showed her when she was the week before she was discharged. She just was saying to me, oh, Dr. Britta, I feel so good.
And I just left this exercise group, and she had all these fun stories. Of course, I see them every week, but she was really reflecting because she was sad that she was leaving, actually, from the beginning where she said, I don’t want to be here. Oh, my gosh.
And I said to her, do you want to see a picture of yourself when you first got here? And she said, oh, sure. That’d be interesting. And I showed it to her.
I took a picture of her right then because she was just bright-eyed and just her skin had cleared up. I mean, you could just, the vitality was back.
Julie: What a great word, vitality.
Dr. Britta: As a 15-year-old should be. Absolutely. So I took a picture of her kind of in the same place where I had snapped the picture at the very beginning, and I showed the other one, and she was just floored.
And she did something with my phone that I would have no idea how to do because I’m too old; She’s a teenager, where she split the screen and she had them side by side.
Julie: Don’t know how to do that either.
Dr. Britta: And then she said, “Can I show this to some other people?” And then she went around and she showed it to her peers and she was so proud of herself, but she had no idea. When she looked back at herself 10 weeks ago and just saw her eyes, then half-masked to now, I mean, even that alone. And she was telling me, look at my skin and look at my hair.
It was pretty phenomenal, I have to say.
Julie: Also, I’m sure that was so inspiring for the other people in the program. Look what I did, look how I feel. I am like a living testimony that this can be different, that you can come back online, that yeah, it’s so beautiful.
Dr. Britta: So what we did. Not only did we right-size her medications, optimize them, get her off at least half of those, get her off the Anxiolytics, the Ativan. She didn’t need that.
Get her on more natural substitute for anxiety. Or if she started feeling those feelings of anxiousness, we would have her do something. Luckily, we’re right near these kind of cold ponds that go into the ocean.
So she put her feet in there, or she could take a quick swim. And that’s not always possible in our day-to-day life, but she really learned some self-soothing ways how she could regulate herself in the moment rather than in saying, I just need my Ativan. Because that’s the message she got until this point.
That’s the only way she could regulate herself is by taking a pill.
Julie: Yeah. So great. So you expanded that.
Dr. Britta: And I just want to say, if I haven’t either, there was a ton of resistance in the first four to six weeks. And any of us taking medications and being told, no, you don’t need that, it feels like the rug’s being pulled out underneath you. So you really need to give a lot of support around that and really speak to that. Like, we got you, we’re going to support you.
The Whole-Body Approach to Mental Health
Dr. Britta: So the other thing we did with her is we did more lab panels.
So we did blood work, very basic things, thyroid, vitamin D. We did an iron panel, just a complete blood count, just to see how everything was working. I like to measure something called CRP, it’s a C-reactive protein. It’s a nonspecific inflammatory marker in the body.
I like to… Young people should not have this elevated. It’s more like a metabolic 50 to 70-year-old male or female will have this elevated because they have a lot of inflammation. But it’s always interesting to me when I run this on my young people, because I’ll do a lab panel at the beginning and the end to see from a data-driven standpoint, how they improve.
And her inflammatory marker was high. It was high. Yeah.
Julie: I bet it was for lots of reasons, but at least for those having six medications as part of her regular daily routine.
Dr. Britta: And she was stressed. And stress is the number one cause of inflammation in the body, and you can’t get rid of stress, but how are you going to be managing it in your body? That’s the question.
So with this laboratory kind of little deeper dive, looking underneath the hood, and we look for the optimum levels of certain nutrients, we were able to replenish her body more with nutrients. We did it with diet, but we also did it with supplements. And in the way that we were really trying to get those optimal levels because we know vitamin D is anti-inflammatory when you get it in a certain range.
And the lab range is, for example, it’s 20 to, I don’t know, 100. And so if you have a 21, everyone says, oh, you’re fine. But we know you need to have a 50 to 70 in order to really have that anti-inflammatory effect, and for your immune system to work well and for your sleep to be okay.
So it’s really trying to look into this young lady in particular and figure out what is out of balance that we can restore for her.
Julie: Yeah. And I love that because it really speaks to the cookie-cutter approaches don’t work, right? You talk about a range, you talk about where they are. Someone could be great with vitamin D. Someone else might not. Someone on medication might work well, not others. We’re all different without getting more sophisticated to really custom-tailor how you’re directing and responding and intervening with any individual patient.
It’s without doing that, you’re really at risk for missing them and prescribing. And I’m not just talking about medical prescriptions, but prescribing nutrients that are wrong, prescribing activities that are wrong. It really is much more delicate.
Dr. Britta: So I love that. And I have a little bit of an issue with some of these integrative physicians that kind of do the same tests on everybody. And they do a lot of tests and it can feel very overwhelming.
It’s like the mold and the heavy metals and, oh my gosh, just everything, which I’m not saying is not a problem for some people. But I think when someone’s coming into the realm of really an integrative treatment plan to try to make it as simple as possible at first, and then you look for the zebras. Because I can’t tell you how many people just haven’t really gotten that far with their conventional pediatrician.
And then they go to a functional medicine doctor, and then they’re just so overwhelmed with the amount of information. And I guess what my point is, is to make sure just the basics are handled first, because so many of us are deficient in these nutrients, and we’re deficient because of our lifestyle. Stress depletes the body.
We know that it depletes magnesium, zinc, and B6. And we need those types of nutrients to make our neurotransmitters. It’s just science.
It’s just science. So if we’re taking medications that supposedly work on the neurotransmitters, but we don’t have the building blocks, then of course it’s not going to work. So that, in its essence, is nutritional psychiatry.
It’s treating, it’s figuring out, again, medications can work. They can. But alone, oftentimes they cannot.
You need them.
Pillars of Health
Julie: I love what you’re saying. If you don’t have the basics, if you’re not supported nutritionally to even have the neurotransmitters functioning in the way that they need to for the medication to be effective, then why take the medication? It’s not going to do what you want it to do anyway.
I love this. And I love the story. I love the story of this woman.
I love even picturing how proud she was of herself and how spreading the good word. I love it. And actually, to be honest, I love how you’re spreading the good word, especially about this way that you’re working that feels so nurturing and caring, as you’re talking about it to really see someone as the individual that they are.
So believe it or not, Dr. Brita, we’re pretty close to the end of our time. And I want to make sure that you have time to talk about those pillars of health because they feel like a real antidote to the seduction of this widespread phenomenon that’s been happening in our culture around overprescribing. So why don’t you tell us a little bit about those?
Dr. Britta: Sure.
In the next podcast, we can dive into inflammation and how that’s the cornerstone of these chronic diseases, which happens to be mental health.
Julie: Yes. I love talking about that as a trauma expert because that’s all I do is work on reducing the stress load in the body, which reduces inflammation.
Dr. Britta: That’s right. That’s right.
And so my pillars of health have everything to do with decreasing inflammation in the body.
#1 Nutrition: Food is Mood
Dr. Britta: So that is making sure the nutrition is on track and doing that with just basic lab panels that you’re nothing fancy, insurance-covered, basic nutrient deficiency lab panels, and also food sensitivity/intolerances. Figure out what those are for you as an individual.
It’s amazing how much brain fog and fatigue, and mood lability that gluten, for example, can cause some people, not all, but some.
So uncover that, figure that out because food is mood. Food can really affect everything around that.
#2 Restorative Sleep: Why Deep Sleep Matters
Dr. Britta: The second one is sleep.
So many of us do not sleep well. And if your sleep is erratic, your cortisol is going to be erratic, and cortisol is that inflammatory hormone that we really have to be paying attention to.
And that’s a whole other podcast we can get into.
Julie: I just need to have you on every month.
Dr. Britta: Making sure the sleep and, and again, those, those sedative-hypnotics, you know, the trazodone, the ambiance, it does not give you restorative sleep. So we’ve got to figure out a different way. So that, again, we can deep dive into that another time.
#3 Movement: Why Doing What You Enjoy Makes All the Difference
Dr. Britta: Movement and notice I’m not calling it exercise, some people exercise just for the sake of exercising. They’re getting up at 4:30 in the morning, and they’re running their six miles, but they actually hate it.
And that’s going to be increasing cortisol, so do the exercise that serves you, that really takes your nervous system down, so it can help your cortisol level. I mean there’s studies 15 minutes of walking a day, what that does to a cortisol level, and you don’t need to get up and be on a Stairmaster for two hours necessarily that that could actually be stressing you out and making your problems worse. so just know what works for you.
#4 Mind-Body Connection: Listening to What Your Body Needs
And finally, it’s really tuning into your mind and body and how it’s connected and how one affects the other. Because in the case that I shared with you, it was completely severed. She had no awareness of what or how it was all connected. And there are so many different ways that you can feel that from the standpoint of what’s therapeutic to balance your nervous system, so your mind can be at rest, and vice versa, with the pain or the distress in your body.
Julie: Yes. I love that, and you had even talked about how she would go down to the pools and put her feet in as a way of self-regulating, right, which is one of those mind and body practices that can be so helpful to become fluent at really listening to what you need and balancing all of that out. I love that.
Moving Beyond Labels and Overmedication
Julie: Well Dr. Britta I think we have a lot of future topics that we could talk about and that are really important to our world because you know this is what we’re trying to do we’re really trying to have people understand how amazing their human system is not run to that label of being broken or feeling like you’re failure and you were right on topic with that with talking about your case and the way you’re trying to work to kind of rehab people from over medication if they have been overprescribed um medications as a solution for their problem.
I just want to say thank you for being here and to all of you listening thank you for joining me on this episode of Whole by Design I hope it left you feeling inspired to toss out any labels embrace new perspectives and take one step closer to the joy and clarity that you deserve as always visit www.vivapartnership.com to access our free and low-cost resources that will empower you and your loved ones on health and healing. Let’s spread the message, subscribe review, or share this episode with someone who could benefit from a stigma-dropping approach to mental fitness today. Thanks for being here.
Dr. Britta: Thank you
